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I think the responses came before your stuff meeting and that explains it, I quess he was better keeping me safe than sorry until things get more clear.
Contact support. I keep a list of the fp in buildings and who donated what in gb I deleted that had more than 50 fp in the current level it was on. I got electronic post its all over my monitor with tons of info on them. I will clean them off when I wake up though if I dont have any people asking. Though those that try to claim fp that doesnt match my notes will be spanked and sat on most horribly.
The concern is people who are donating a large amount and sometimes all 24 each day and every day on one one world and getting the same back in equal or almost equal amounts on another world.
If there are Players A and B and they both play on worlds C and D, is this pushing:
If player A donates to player B on both worlds C and D and player B reciprocates and donates to player A on both worlds C and D as well?
really mate your best just to stick with your first option. Its safe and wont get anyone in trouble.
It's not difficult to make a "pushing loop" involving 3 or more players. Clearly, mods should detect such loops, otherwise all these rules will be useless.
From the other hand, a player doesn't have a possibility to look beyond two steps (I can see who donates to my friends/guildies, but not beyond that). It's possible that a player will be involved in a loop even without his or her knowledge.
With all due respect, I don't believe that the mods can read our minds and decide with 100% accuracy who is innocent and who is not. The very attitude of their responses in this and (especially) previous threads on this topic ("We will not tell you the rules because you are looking for a way to go around them") shows that they will look at every case with the "presumption of guilt".
So, as a rule-abiding player, I see only one way how I can be sure that I won't wake up one morning without my GBs: Send support ticket every time someone starts to support my GBs or I start donating to someone and ask whether these actions are legal or not.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the mods look at one player and sees how much points he donates. If it looks like "a lot", they check on his accounts on other worlds to see if that's his main or not. From there, if the he is donating "a lot" and if he is not a main, there is a ban right there.
Did I fall down the playground once again? (Of course, I'm not pointing out the only way of being banned, but just one of the many)
I never did get any sort of in game announcement that I'm aware of though, maybe it lost during login problems or whatnot.
Just wanted to point out that it seems there was a horrendous amount of confusion on all sides over this matter and all in all Blacksmith you are doing a pretty good job of handling this terrible mess dropped in your lap.
Figured you could use some support when all I see are players slamming you guys constantly. As far as the whole push / trading thing goes all i can say is it would be great if the 'Loopholes' were closed, because in the end you know people will find them and put them to use! Have a good one everybody.
I would say a "normal" player will donate "a lot" in the worlds which are not his main.Correct me if I'm wrong, but the mods look at one player and sees how much points he donates. If it looks like "a lot", they check on his accounts on other worlds to see if that's his main or not. From there, if the he is donating "a lot" and if he is not a main, there is a ban right there.
Did I fall down the playground once again? (Of course, I'm not pointing out the only way of being banned, but just one of the many)
You are judging other players' playstyles. That alone is suspicious behaviour..yah well "normal" players dont have accounts on all the worlds playing all of them at once but keep a main account way higher than the others.
That alone is suspicious behaviour.. though not what I look at.
Pushing behaviours:
- Using a dummy account to provide goods to main account.
- Using a dummy account to provide Forge Points to main account.
- Having a friend create an account for the sole purpose of donating goods/Forge Points.
What about asking your friends (not on the same connection) to create an account and donate every once in a while. Let's say these friends aren't interested in the game, so they never progress and remain at the sub-100 points level. All they do is log in every once in a while and use their Forge Points.
How the current rules are laid, this is not an offense but, just to make sure: is it an offense?
In-Game Rules said:Pushing behaviours:
- Using a dummy account to provide goods to main account.
- Using a dummy account to provide Forge Points to main account.
- Having a friend create an account for the sole purpose of donating goods/Forge Points.
According to my understanding of the latest interpretation of the rules by Blacksmith ("your only bad if you gave fp back in another world according to how the rules are set up.", post #10), this is not punishable. According to the previous interpretation of the rules (in deleted thread), this is one of the deadly sins. According to the official text of the rules, you may do this (no shared connection, no trades involving more than one game world).What about asking your friends (not on the same connection) to create an account and donate every once in a while. Let's say these friends aren't interested in the game, so they never progress and remain at the sub-100 points level. All they do is log in every once in a while and use their Forge Points.
How the current rules are laid, this is not an offense but, just to make sure: is it an offense?