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Gambrel Roof House is way too powerful

DeletedUser

A few points:

You can have:
  • 79 (plus yourself) in the guild;
  • 139 (plus yourself) in friends (you can invite the first 79 and then accept invites from others up to 139); and
  • 79 (plus yourself) in the neighbourhood.

You can get (if my quick calculation is correct) seventy six 4x4 expansion slots to build on which gives 1216 squares to build on. If you assume a fairly optimum layout and a non-premium user then:
  • 90 GR Houses = 23,310 population requiring 360 squares and 32,634 happiness for an enthusiastic population.
  • With 12% roads =146 squares of paved lanes and 3650 happiness.
  • Eight military buildings averaging at 12 squares each = 96 squares.
  • Ten Tobacco Plantations = 160 squares.
  • Three goods buildings averaging at 9 squares each = 27 squares.
  • Saint Mark's Basilica = 36 squares
  • Leaving 391 squares for trading companies (at 12 squares each) = 32 trading companies (plus 7 remaining squares) = 28,800 happiness.
  • Giving a total of 32,450 happiness (plus 7 remaining squares which if you use them for decorations is just enough happiness).

This is also reliant on you having EVERY possible expansion (including the 4000, 5000 and 6000 medal expansions) which few players (if any) have. So while it is possible to have 90 Gambrel Roof Houses if you are a non-diamond player it leaves you with very little room to do anything (like have offensive/defensive boost GBs) unless you are also relying on polishing your trading companies and that means you need not only 90 motivations per day (all on GRHs and not on supplies) but also extra polishes.

All-in-all, I looked into laying down 90 houses and realised that unless I spent diamonds on circuses I could not get the happiness to support more than 70 and to still have a decent number of military, goods, supplies and great buildings.
 

DeletedUser

i for one got 5 diamond expansions but thats not the point

even with 70 arcade houses you will need to login about 20 times to collect houses just to keep up with gambrel
and yes there are 139 and 79 (forgot to remove 1 for me) but i still think its possible to have 70 motivate +4-10 motivate/day from a list of 79 guild members and 100+- friends
 

DeletedUser

AloGarA said:
help me understand guys
so lets say i have St. Mark's Basilica at level 10
i build 90 Gambrel Roof House(not that uncommon in colonial to have that space) in 24 hours with a guild of 80 and 80 = 160 from that 56% motivate your houses

1 gambrel = 1.620(120%)
1.620x90=145.800x250%= 364.500/day -> and if motivated - add 145800 = 510300/day


having arcade house
1 arcade = 216/hour
we will calculate 1hourx90 hours with 250%(Mark's) = 48600
= 90x15(you need to sleep 8 hours - 1 hour above)x216= 291600
so 291600 + 48600(1hour x 90Houses with mark's bonus) = 340200/day -> if motivated - add 19440 = 359640/day
359640+ 155520(8 more hours) = 515160 that is 4860 more gold for your hard work of connecting every hour for 24 hours compared with gambrel

so you need to collect about 17 times /day with arcade houses to get even with gambrel house(no motivate)
if motivated you need

let me know if my math is wrong guys

calculated with an average of 90 motivate/day
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Yes your math is wrong..

This:
"1.620x90=145.800x250%= 364.500/day -> and if motivated - add 145800 = 510300/day"
Does not work that way.

St. Marks only give 250% (at lvl 10) of the base collection of a house. You've counted 120% collection.
So it would be:
1 Gambrel = 1,620 (120%) / 1,350 (base) - per day
1,620 (120%) x 90 = 145,800 + ((1,350 (base) x 250%) x 90) = 303,750/day -> if motivated - add 145,800 = 449,550/day
That's 60,750 coins difference with your sum.. which is about 9 extra Motivated-Enthusiastic-St.M-boosted Gambrels.

1 Arcade = 216 (120%) / 180 (base) - per hour
So 90 1hr collection at 120% with St.Mark's boost would be:
(216 x 90) + ((180x250%) x 90) = 59,940/hour
With 8 hours sleep a day, it would leave 16 potential hours to collect:
16 x 59,940 = 959,040/16hrs -> if motivated - add (216x90=)19,440 = 978,480/16hrs

Should you collect for 8 extra hours to have a 24hr collection with Arcade houses:
24 x 59,940 = 1,430,560/day -> if motivated - add 19,440 = 1,458,000/day

Collecting 16x a day from your motivated Arcades already gives (978,480 - 449,550=) 528,930 more coins a day - That difference alone is already more than 90 unmotivated Gambrels.
Collecting 24x a day from your motivated Arcades gives (1,458,000 - 449,550=) 1,008,450 more coins a day

Basically you only need to collect 7x to get about the same amount from the Arcades as the Gambrels:
7 x 59,940 + 19,440 (motivated) = 439,020/7hrs for 90 motivated Arcade Houses with lvl 10 St.M boost (250%).
1 day Gambrels with the same conditions give: 449,550/day

449,550 - 439,020 = 10,530 difference between collecting 7x from 90 Arcades or 1x from 90 Gambrels.

EDIT: This has been corrected a few posts below: Click here to see

- L
 
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DeletedUser

1 Arcade = 216 (120%) / 180 (base) - per hour
So 90 1hr collection at 120% with St.Mark's boost would be:
(216 x 90) + ((180x250%) x 90) = 59,940/hour
With 8 hours sleep a day, it would leave 16 potential hours to collect:
16 x 59,940 = 959,040/16hrs -> if motivated - add (216x90=)19,440 = 978,480/16hrs

Should you collect for 8 extra hours to have a 24hr collection with Arcade houses:
24 x 59,940 = 1,430,560/day -> if motivated - add 19,440 = 1,458,000/day

- L
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yea so 1 hour of arcade house with mark is 59.940 thats correct but lets add 90 motivated/day ,thats extra 216x90=19440 + 59940 =79380
because i dont think you get more then 90 motivate on avearage

now lets calculate 15 hours of collect without marks bonus and no motivate
216x90x16=311040
what you calculated is 16 x 59940 thats 1 hour marks bonus,what it should be is 216x 90= 19940/hour
 

DeletedUser

AloGarA said:
yea so 1 hour of arcade house with mark is 59.940 thats correct but lets add 90 motivated/day ,thats extra 216x90=19440 + 59940 =79380
because i dont think you get more then 90 motivate on avearage
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What I calculated there was without motivation yeah. You added 90 motivations there. No problems here.

AloGarA said:
now lets calculate 15 hours of collect without marks bonus and no motivate
216x90x16=311040
what you calculated is 16 x 59940 thats 1 hour marks bonus,what it should be is 216x 90= 19940/hour
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Why would you calculate it without the bonuses?
I calculated the Gambrels with the bonuses, so the Arcades should be in the same conditions in order to compare them.

What you just did is calculate what Arcades give without Motivation and St.M, compared to what Gambrels give with those boosts. That's not the same conditions, so that's not comparable to each other.

- L
 

DeletedUser

we used marks on bambrel thats 90 buildings with 250% and we added 90 motivate

16 x 59,940 = 959,040/16hrs -> if motivated - add (216x90=)19,440 = 978,480/16hrs

Should you collect for 8 extra hours to have a 24hr collection with Arcade houses:
24 x 59,940 = 1,430,560/day -> if motivated - add 19,440 = 1,458,000/day
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here you added 90 houses x 24 hours = 2160 bonuses from mark!
when it should only be 90 houses x 1hour = 90 motivate
we only calculate 1 hour of motivate and marks bonus and that added to 120%/hour/house and that is 216


What you just did is calculate what Arcades give without Motivation and St.M, compared to what Gambrels give with those boosts. That's not the same conditions, so that's not comparable to each other.
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i already did if you look here
yea so 1 hour of arcade house with mark is 59.940 thats correct but lets add 90 motivated/day ,thats extra 216x90=19440 + 59940 =79380
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that number should be added to 90 houses x 15 hours(since 1 hour is above) x 216
i dont think you see what i see :)
 
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DeletedUser

AloGarA said:
we used marks on bambrel thats 90 buildings with 250% and we added 90 motivate


here you added 90 houses x 24 hours = 2160 bonuses from mark!
when it should only be 90 houses x 1hour = 90 motivate
we only calculate 1 hour of motivate and marks bonus and that added to 120%/hour/house and that is 216



i already did if you look here

that number should be added to 90 houses x 15 hours(since 1 hour is above) x 216
i dont think you see what i see :)
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Ah, major flaw haha! My bad. I gotta recalc that.

EDIT:

Lodroth said:
St. Marks only give 250% (at lvl 10) of the base collection of a house. You've counted 120% collection.
So it would be:
1 Gambrel = 1,620 (120%) / 1,350 (base) - per day
1,620 (120%) x 90 = 145,800 + ((1,350 (base) x 250%) x 90) = 303,750/day -> if motivated - add 145,800 = 449,550/day
That's 60,750 coins difference with your sum.. which is about 9 extra Motivated-Enthusiastic-St.M-boosted Gambrels.
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1 Arcade = 216 (120%) / 180 (base) - per hour
So 90 1hr collection at 120% with St.Mark's boost would be:
(216 x 90) + ((180x250%) x 90) = 59,940/hour
With 8 hours sleep a day, it would leave 16 potential hours to collect:
1 x 59,940 (the collection with St.M's boost) + 15 x (216 x 90) (No more St.M since we used the 90 boosts it does) = 351,440/16hrs ->
if motivated - add (216x90=)19,440 = 370,980/16hrs

Should you collect for 8 extra hours to have a 24hr collection with Arcade houses:
1 x 59,940 + 23 x 19,440 = 507,060/day -> if motivated - add 19,440 = 526,500/day

Collecting 16x a day from your motivated Arcades gives (370,980 - 449,550 =) 78,570 less coins a day - That difference is about 16 Gambrels with boosts (that you're not getting).
Collecting 24x a day from your motivated Arcades gives (526,500 - 449,550=) 76,950 more coins a day - That difference is about 15 Gambrels with boosts (that you are getting).

Basically you need to collect 11x to get about the same amount from the Arcades as the Gambrels:
1 x 59,940 + 10 x ((216x2(motivated))x90) = 448,740/11hrs for 90 motivated Arcade Houses with lvl 10 St.M boost (250%).
1 day Gambrels with the same conditions give: 449,550/day

448,740 - 449,550 = -810 difference between collecting 11x from 90 Arcades or 1x from 90 Gambrels.
Consider this is if your 90 houses are motivated at all times.
But this is impossible since 90x10hrs = 900 motivations, and you can only have guild+neighbourhood+friends= potential 297 motivates

*head ache* right, so let's take unmotivated:

90 unmotivated Gambrels give: 303,750
1x 59,940 + 13 x (216x90) = 312,660 ->
14 collects from 90 unmotivated Arcades gives you 8,910 more coins than 1 collect from 90 unmotivated Gambrels.
This includes the 250% boost from a lvl 10 St.Mark's.
 
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DeletedUser7719

You guys do remember only the first set of 90 arcades will get the boost, right?
 

DeletedUser9614

Your collections are low ;p
I collect 899,100 daily from my 90 Gambrels haha.
 

DeletedUser

pawelp said:
Your collections are low ;p
I collect 899,100 daily from my 90 Gambrels haha.
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That's very interesting since that's kind of impossible with only 90 Gambrels:

St. Mark's only give 250% (at lvl 10) of the base collection of a house.
1 Gambrel = 1,620 (120%) / 1,350 (base) - per day
1,620 x 90 = 145,800 + ((1,350 (base) x 250%) x 90) = 303,750/day unmotivated -> if motivated - add 145,800 = 449,550/day

So you simply can't be collecting (exactly) 2x that amount within 24 hours with only 90 Gambrels and only the following boosts: St.Mark's, Motivated, Enthusiastic.
It means you need 180 Gambrels and each of them needs to be motivated, in order to collect the number you stated.

- L
 

DeletedUser6539

Lodroth,
a motivated Gambrel with St.Marks gives 9990 coins.
90x9990=899100.
someone from the devs must rethink the 90 boost bonus, its a "little" bit overpowered (like the Deal Castle).

TR.
 

DeletedUser

How does it give 9990 coins?
Can you give a screenshot of that?
According to my math a motivated Gambrel (3240) with St.Mark's boost (250% on 1350 = 3375) gives 3240+3375 = 6615 per house.
So how does that turn into 9990?

- L
 

DeletedUser6539

I dont have a St. Marks so i can not give you a screenshot, but have asked players who have it and they told me this number.
Maybe pawelp can help :) or if you play the game ask someone from your world who have it ;)
 

DeletedUser3157

@ Lodroth:
St Marks is 250% bonus on ur income, so it stands as 3.5 modifier. enthusiastic is another 0.2 modifier. They 2 are added not multiplied(it was reported as bug a while ago in ur bugs section, but i quess it is intentsional since it has not changed. So 1350*3.7=4995 coins per house. Now pawelp is leader of one of the best and most active guilds in all worlds, he has also build an exceptional network of friends, and gets along even with his nabers, so he can each day get all his 90 gambrel houses motivated(despite asking first for polish and then for supply motivation). This means he collects 9990 per house and 900k total per day. Add the fact that as moderate diamond user he appears to have all diamond expanions while also having one of the most space efficent towns anyone anywhere has had, and u get the formula for great success and a player I consider most dominant of all worlds. He once shared me couple of screenshots like his goods page and mail outbox and I can tell u that his numbers don't happen on its own, but they are resoult of incredibly dedicated and hard work.

PS: I just collected 670k coins 10 minutes ago. 60/74 gambrels motivated today so not too bad, but nowhere on his level.
 
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DeletedUser276

the devs will fix both the gb and gambriel roof houses... get ready for some nerfing :D
 

DeletedUser10537

Didi i asked something like that, I was looking forward to build the gambrel roof houses... come on guys, I would like if everything stay the same...
 

DeletedUser276

you may not have asked for it but so many others have. You just want a piece of the powerhouse combination :D
 

DeletedUser3157

The combo with st marks is powerful, the house on its own would be nothing special.
 

DeletedUser6539

To late Blacksmith, players with this "powerhouse combination" will have made 30-40 millions of coins (maybe more) and the change will play in their hands :((
 
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