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Event Winter Event 2014

Discussion in 'Announcement Discussions' started by Kimba Lioness, Nov 27, 2014.

  1. Gate2

    Gate2 Brigadier-General

    Nov 17, 2013
    a very satisfying event for me too.
    A couple of Rogue hideouts and a few shrines. Missed out on the renovation kits and missed out on the confectionary in my main world but still happy.
  2. magnus555

    magnus555 Second Lieutenant

    Jan 5, 2013
    ..and the last present I opened was a.... what would you say? ...yes, you got it!, an awesome "x2" ! :p

    jokes aside, it has been a good event overall :)
  3. Gimpusoid

    Gimpusoid Private

    Nov 21, 2014
    When do the Winter Story results come in??

    I have been searching for this information everywhere.
  4. Michael K.

    Michael K. Major-General

    Sep 15, 2012
    Now, I almost hate to bring this up, but:

    In Post#94 I asked:
    'On the 20th Quest (Recruiting Units), Rogues are not being counted in the tally. Don't Rogues belong to all ages?'

    Post#95 JadeAland (Mod) Responds:
    'Rogues are not of any age and therefore will not count.'

    Post#99 from Mangus555:
    ' . . . So, as a "No age" unit, the rogue is not a "current age" unit.'

    Post#101 Reveals Gate2's thoughts to Mangus:
    'Now this makes total sense and I have to agree with this.'

    Now onto Quest #24 which stated asked for you to delete 2 units from your age, or 4 units from any age.

    So, I deleted a Rogue. (You had to see this coming).

    Anyway, yes, I deleted a Rogue.
    Surmise what happened next.
    I will give you 3 surmises.

    Hard to believe, but the quest accepted the Rogue deletion toward task completion.

    So a 'No Age' Rogue, from an 'All Ages Building' has an age for deletion, but not, recruiting? And, what age? (or not?). I am still of the opinion that there is something amiss here.

    Post #108 from Tankovy (another Mod) suggests:
    'The Rogue Hideout itself is All ages and I'd agree that it could be changed to No Age to help avoid confusion about weather or not they should count.'

    Not necessary to implement because apparently they do. Or don't. Sometimes. Maybe. Better and easier to relabel the Rogues and the Hideout as 'You're Guess At This Moment Is As Good As Mine', and that should clear it up.

    Oh yes, the part where I almost hated to bring this up?
    I'm lying.

    It gives me a chance to revisit this classic post from Test Ament:

    ' . . . simple: "all ages" is NOT "your age.'

    A classic for all times.

    . . . . mk

    Post #110 from Seserous Omega:
    'This is my favorite thread ever, first the whole Christianity/Christmas/Winter Event debate, then all these pages of no age/rogue debate... awesome'.

    You're welcome. No problem. I'm just a stranger, passin' through. I'll be moseying along now.
    Last edited: Jan 5, 2015
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  5. ByeOrDie

    ByeOrDie Emperor

    Oct 24, 2012
    Quest #24 says (for the alternative) 4 units from any age. Granted I don't know if "no age" should actually count as any age, it seemed that the underlying purpose of the alternative objective was that it wanted to allow any unit to be deleted.
    A bit rewording on the quest and/or Rogue Hideout would be best :p
  6. Michael K.

    Michael K. Major-General

    Sep 15, 2012
    Nope. Recall my original post. The Rogue was counted nowhere in the tally. Not current, not past. Not with the first, nor with the last. Not in a box, not with a fox. Nowhere to be found Byeordie. One is mistaken, either you or I.

    . . . .mk
  7. ByeOrDie

    ByeOrDie Emperor

    Oct 24, 2012
    Your original post said that rogues did not count in quest #20 because the rogue did not count towards the current or previous age. You then said on your last post that the rogue did count on quest #24, but the alternative for the quest was to delete 4 units from any age (and I'm assuming you had to delete 4 rather than 2)
  8. Test Ament

    Test Ament Overlord

    Aug 8, 2013
    you are mistaken

    have you forgotten that you wrote that :confused:
  9. akbhoy67

    akbhoy67 Tsar

    Aug 22, 2012
    the announcement for the competition states it runs till the 5th January (Today)

    I'd imagine it will be a couple of days till the winners are decided
  10. Michael K.

    Michael K. Major-General

    Sep 15, 2012
    In Quest #20 Rogue was nowhere in the tally.
    In Quest #24 Rogue was in the tally.
    . . . . mk
  11. Gate2

    Gate2 Brigadier-General

    Nov 17, 2013
    Michael K. Sir, you are on fire today. A smoking gun with a Red Hot Barrel. :)
    Keep up the good work.
  12. King Harold IV

    King Harold IV Private

    Mar 2, 2014
    well done innogames

    overall a well thoughtout and fun, side adventure, eagerly awaiting Valentines storyline/quest
  13. Tankovy

    Tankovy Brigadier-General

    Jun 27, 2012
    20.The 20th day of winter: Recruit 4 units from your age or 5 from the previous age.
    24.The 24th day of winter: Delete 2 units from your age or 4 from any age.

    Above are the 2 quests in question regarding the "No Age" Rogues. The reason they don't count towards the first is because they are not your current age or your previous age. The reason it counts for the second quest is because of the "any age" condition in which the unit tag "No Age" would be included.

    So the quests have worked properly when they accepted/rejected the Rogues from the counts.

    Even if terminology was to change for the naming of the Rogues they still wouldn't have counted for the first quest because of the way they function. The first quest specifically restricts the ages of the units to you current or previous, as the Rogue has the potential to be from an even earlier one it'd have to be excluded. Rogues would always be counted for quests that don't restrict age because you could delete (or build in the case of any quests that ask you to build a unit from any age) any age unit and it'd count, as a Rogue eventually has to be some age (any of which would meet the criteria for the quest) it'd count no matter what it turned out to be.
  14. mrbeef

    mrbeef Lieutenant-General

    Feb 14, 2013
    Well if a Rogue is classed as 'no age' then it can't qualify for the 'any age' condition. 'Any age' includes any unit from Bronze Age up to and including Contemporary Era..and as the 'no age' Rogues never belong to any of those ages/eras they don't actually meet the criteria for the quest.
  15. thanatos100

    thanatos100 Monarch

    Nov 27, 2013
    Who declared the description 'No Age' for a rogue? Have Innogames declared that is the correct description?

    Looking at how the army management filters work the only conclusion you can come to is that they are 'any age' otherwise when filtering by age they would disappear if they were 'no age'.

    That being said I think most understood what was required by the quests but maybe next time they could be written a little more concisely to keep those that like to test the boundaries of what will work happy.