Well I live in Canada so just woke up and saw this thread
pretty heated arguments in here. Lets see what I can do to state the other side of the argument. Poor Seek isnt even being listened to
Why was the other threads by rude people censored...mmmm.. well for starters the forums are about communication. Mostly communication between players and staff though players see it more of a communication between each other which is cool.. wont nay say that. The forums are here might as well use them. But communication is a two way street. I am sure the players want some sort of respect from staff and thats part of the complaining I see in here about staff being rude and abrubt etc etc. However those posts by grouchy and others didnt have any respect in their posts and their posts were designed by them to cause issues with the general public rather than communicate issues with staff and TRY and resolve them. They complained but put no actual area for feedback.
In grouchy's case he said (not an exact quote but paraphrase) "This game over here is way better look we get this and this and we get none of that here". to me thats advertising. No need to post the name of the game at all. Thats like ordering Mcdonalds and eating it in a burger king and telling people the mcdonalds across the street is waaaaaaay better than the food here. You think they would be able to stay in burger king for long?
It is one thing to have links or banners that advertise a game and is a totally other thing to make a comparison... The deleted thread was a comparison with another game. Sometimes people make a comparison to give an example thus sending a clear message. That is not against the rules, now is it?
I dont mind comparisons but they dont need to point out mcdonalds so yes... that is against the rules. Its not a rule us mods made but staff from head office. As such its our job to enforce it.
I want to say i am not making any ads for an other game,i ve checked if what it was said by bebert was true,and in fact it is the truth.
i AM STILL WAITING IF PEOPLE FROM INNO AGREE WITH CARACATUS COMMENT TO GROUCHY.'' by buying diamonds testers are helping inno to improve the game''.
This could mean
1 what testers are reporting or telling to improve the game is not relevant only buying diamonds is relevant
2 pay and keep quiet,and if you do not agree go to hell
Well if your not making any ads stop mentioning the name of other games
I edited your previous posts only as I am a nice guy and figure you might as well stick around the forums a while... even though you said you were quitting which really doesnt force me to keep you around but encourages your ejection from the forums for adverting... but I got your point so just edited.
By buying diamonds your doing much more than that. Your helping keep the game alive. It helps pay for the servers for this game (servers are not free after all but bloody expensive) and for the wages for the coders to develop the game as well as graphic artists etc. As such we need to have people buy diamonds to pay for these otherwise the game eats into the money from other innogames and thats just not smart business. You dont take money from one hand to feed the other. You need to have each hand self sufficient.
At least caracatus must give us some apologize or must be fired from his position for what he said.
If you have a problem with what a staff said or did come to me in a private message and explain what they did. I will look into it. Thats my job.
Now when a company does a commercial offer to testers or players then this company would never loose money but it will make more profits.The best ads for a company is the mouth to mouth.
Not really in the technological age. It has some impact but not as much as before online became such a bastion of information. I am not disagreeing to your post just pointing out that times have changed since that was a beacon of hope.
By telling that I am not asking free diamonds,I am trying to make you understand
1 a basic commercial act
2 warning you to avoid censorship as long as there is not insulting or offendig argument.
Posts created just to incite players and other people is insulting and offensive to the game and the staff that work here. Alot of my posts people have ignored 99% of what I have said and concentrate on 1 or 2 of the weakest points and try to argue that or pointedly ignore everything that I have said and continue on trying to stir up trouble. Thats like you writing your argument and my only reply is... but we listen and we care and we love you and tottering off for a nap. I dont think you would be very appreciative of that and as such mods (being human beings heaven forbid) get frustrated with not being listened to and people carry on their petulant attitudes grinding about injustice and torture of the masses with well structured points irrelivent to what was answered.
yOU MUST CONSIDER THERE IS SOME ADULTS HERE,RETIRED PEOPLE OR ILL PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO ENJOY THEMSELF BY PLAYING,THEY ARE ALSO BE ABLE TO BE DISGUSTED BY THE BEHAVIOUR OF SYSTEMATIC CENSORSHIP AND THE COMMERCIAL BEHAVIOUR OF INNO.
And this goes back to your freedom of speech rant. There is no freedom of speech when your posting on something owned by someone else. This isnt Canada, Britain, United States etc. This is the internet mate. If something is against the building of the community then its censored. If its made to cause issues without benefit then its censored. If you want freedom of speech then hold a demonstration in the streets. The wallstreet strike is a good example (no I dont want discussion on that here
) even in countries with freedom of speech the speech isnt really free. You have freedom of speech till your charter rights interfere with someone elses. Thats kinda the same here... the difference being the people who supervise are closer than the public.
So as the french people says put some water in you wine and in the future when a game is launched think to give to the testers some advantages,they are here to help you by their advise and reports,and by mistreating them the mouth to mouth will be negative.
oohh fun time... sounds like players get a benifit at one site and expect all the others to do the same. Thats like your child (you used him/her in the next sentence so lets bring the child in a bit early for this) coming home and saying the neighbors are having caviar, champaign (dunno if I spelt it right) and so on for supper so you should have some too. It was very tasty when they are there etc etc. As a parent you should know just because someone else has something you shouldnt have it either just because your child wants it. That stuff is expensive and also inside your neighbors house. Their property and their money. For me and my child I would just tell them to go over there and enjoy the caviar and such as I dont want to lose the money on something thats needless and suck up ish. I believe we have a great game here that we dont NEED to bribe the players to play and help us beta test the game. And when the players threaten to do this or we leave... I just wave and wish them the best. I never went to that other game but in all seriousness I still believe we have a better product over here and dont need to bribe players to stick around.
As a parent i will not give the permission to my child to spend a penny on this game.YES you here,it was my son who is 12 who told me about the posts of the players an the answers and behaviour of the moderators and as a parent i am always keeping an eye on my child behaviour on internet.
When a child of 12 is offended by the comments of a moderator,by the behaviour of the moderators,the parents reaction will be not at all permissive.
Again if you have a problem with staff actions come to me in a pm and explain in detail the issue. Otherwise nothing can be done.
So i am asking once again an explanation and an apologize from caracatus and from you people.
I spent some money for my son when he was playing on Tribal war,but be sure i will not spend anymore money for any game you release.In fact you ve lost a customer and you might loose more.You might not give a damn for a customer but at the end of the day few customers makes a spring,then a river and at the end an ocean of loss.
This is the usual complaint of a player who is upset and is trying to make a point. I get your point but an overreaction without explanation isnt beneficial as you leave your "issue" for others without dealing with it. Again you havent pm'ed a supervisor to explain staff actions or statements or anything. Just made a general thread ranting that players should have free diamonds and that staff get upset when constantly badgered without people listening to them. You want communication but you havent really said anything.
One more point as a barrister i am warning you that your commercial policy could be condamned in many countries and for various reasons,sleep quietly I won t move against you ,i rather prefer to withdraw my financial support
Best regards
Well as a barrister you know its condemned not condamned. This now seems like a legal threat.... care to explain to me in pm how its condemned in many countries? I took Law where I am at and I really dont see anything illegal or fraudulent or anything going on with our commercial policy but would be very interested in exact legal points (case law and federally mandated policies) that have an exact impact on how we operate the business. I look forward to those pms from you so we can have a discussion and work out the issues.
