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Update 1.201 Feedback

r21r

Major-General
If we think about the same quest, you don't actually complete the quest, so you don't get anything from it, as you just do the fight and then abort the quest.
if you want points.
what if you want coins .. ? :D

UBQ's can produce Coins/Supplies in several Eras, In Iron Age for example with a 120lvl CF you would produce like, idk say 4m Coins/Supplies every day ?
EMA HMA LMA even CE TE you could produce coins, if you had CF 180lvl (leveling costs are getting insane - but say that it is realistic in our days) you would be making 50m ? 100m ? 500m ... ?

Compare those Eras now with SAAB and SAV... i have no idea what is the base Coin reward there, but i am sure that it is bigger than TE (way bigger actually lol) and you have to invest what ? 1 auto fight with not even taking damage ? and accepting a trade of 500x500 goods ?

well, not my job to find what they meant by saying "we fixed an exploit where players would make infinite coins/supplies(?)" but if something comes to mind, it's the quests i said ...

anyways just my thoughts
 

r21r

Major-General
@DarkUros222 found them friend !!!

Chateau level Needed for "infinite Quests"

Iron Age -> 72
EMA -> 116
HMA -> 147
LMA -> 100 for coins - 128 for supplies
CE -> 209 coins - 174 supplies (can't produce coins via ubq's)
TE -> 177 coins - 167 supplies (after 180lvl can produce coins)

SAAB and SAV -> no level need - no UBQ's

Now, Base Rewards Small and Big Coins/Supplies


Coin SmallCoin BigSupply SmallSupply Big
IA1,0003,0001,0003,000
EMA2,0005,0002,0005,000
HMA3,0006,0003,0006,000
LMA5,00010,0005,00010,000
CA7,00014,0008,00017,000
INA10,00018,00011,00020,000
PE15,00030,00016,00032,000
ME20,00045,00021,00050,000
PME25,00060,00026,00070,000
CE34,00090,00032,00080,000
TE45,000130,00040,000110,000
FE57,000171,00050,000150,000
AF65,000200,00060,000180,000
OF70,000220,00065,000200,000
VF75,000240,00070,000220,000
SAM95,000299,10095,000299,100
SAAB109,100343,800109,100343,800

AND finaly here is how many Coins/Supplies you have to pay for each UBQ !


CoinsSupplies
BA600500
IA2,0002,000
EMA5,0005,000
HMA8,0008,000
LMA10,00012,000
CA25,00030,000
INA40,00035,000
PE60,00050,000
ME90,00075,000
PME110,00090,000
CE140,000110,000
TE170,000140,000
FE250,000250,000
AF280,000280,000
OF500,000500,000
VF800,000800,000
SAM1,200,0001,200,000
SAABn/an/a

So if anywhere you would be able to produce "abusing" numbers of coins or supplies, it's obvious where it is..

with the common agreement that investing FP quest is limited !
 
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Behelzebhu

Private
How that makes it obvious?
if anything shows how hard is to actually do it, the other ages not written level of CF is because you need it over 220(indy)-600 (OF) to have a chance!
Havent found a CF higher than 163 in all worlds of EN server, so we know not being used as much for this, other than Iron to LMA, and those low ages you camp too long, you actually miss out FP (no room to produce more) coins, supplies, etc.
 

klods hans

Monarch
What's the fun in camping in a low era "forever" and cycle RQ's with a high level CF - and maybe snipe fps with a high level Arc?
You don't really play the game. You just camp and collect collect collect without purpose other than getting more and more, so you can level your CF's and Arc's higher and higher, so you can keep on collecting more and more. There's no intention to progress in the game or age up to higher eras and new challenges. It's just camp and collect.
 

Behelzebhu

Private
I don't want to invest any more of my time in a game where they can change the very fundamental core rules at a moment's notice, and screw me over again and again. I just can't overlook those close to 700,000 FPs. If Inno let me regroup those to another strategy, I might consider staying, but they made it pretty clear that that's not an option. So it was fun while it lasted, but my city's already in the deletition period.
i already deleted 5 cities cause of this, holding to last 2 in case they reconsider



What's the fun in camping in a low era "forever" and cycle RQ's with a high level CF - and maybe snipe fps with a high level Arc?
You don't really play the game. You just camp and collect collect collect without purpose other than getting more and more, so you can level your CF's and Arc's higher and higher, so you can keep on collecting more and more. There's no intention to progress in the game or age up to higher eras and new challenges. It's just camp and collect.
Somethings are more fun in the lower eras, :)
But basically yes, should move up once a year at least, hahaha.
Still no ground to kill a strategy, and i have to be honest, is not by far the best strategy around
 

Behelzebhu

Private
Will say this tough:

This limit was introduced without announcement, theres a lot of players that doesnt even know this limit exist.
This game has millions of players, so im ok to assume there are thousands of players currently building their city towards this, havent hit the abort limit as still leveling up their CF before, just to be hit with the surprise is no longer viable in some months after spending the fp and time on the city

As havent been announced as such, i still have hope Inno may revert it, but...
IF have NO intentions of ever reverting this, could you show an ounce of decency and announce it in a fashion that every player knows? So thousands can stop wasting their time and effort?

like all those in-game message-alerts for facebook-twitter stuff
 
Will say this tough:

This limit was introduced without announcement, theres a lot of players that doesnt even know this limit exist.
This game has millions of players, so im ok to assume there are thousands of players currently building their city towards this, havent hit the abort limit as still leveling up their CF before, just to be hit with the surprise is no longer viable in some months after spending the fp and time on the city

As havent been announced as such, i still have hope Inno may revert it, but...
IF have NO intentions of ever reverting this, could you show an ounce of decency and announce it in a fashion that every player knows? So thousands can stop wasting their time and effort?

like all those in-game message-alerts for facebook-twitter stuff
If players do not know about the limit (because they are not wasting their game-time reaching that limit?) then how is anyone wasting time and effort. Only people wasting time and effort are those trying to endlessly abuse the RQ and CF combo. How many hours must be wasted (and on how many cities), just sitting there clicking abort hundreds and hundreds of times.
 

klods hans

Monarch
Will say this tough:

This limit was introduced without announcement, theres a lot of players that doesnt even know this limit exist.
This game has millions of players, so im ok to assume there are thousands of players currently building their city towards this, havent hit the abort limit as still leveling up their CF before, just to be hit with the surprise is no longer viable in some months after spending the fp and time on the city

As havent been announced as such, i still have hope Inno may revert it, but...
IF have NO intentions of ever reverting this, could you show an ounce of decency and announce it in a fashion that every player knows? So thousands can stop wasting their time and effort?

like all those in-game message-alerts for facebook-twitter stuff
I'm surprised how many players don't even read in-game announcements.
Then a new change suddenly hits them, and they're like:
- What happened (to this or that)?
- Well, didn't you read the update announcement?
- No...
 

Behelzebhu

Private
If players do not know about the limit (because they are not wasting their game-time reaching that limit?) then how is anyone wasting time and effort. Only people wasting time and effort are those trying to endlessly abuse the RQ and CF combo. How many hours must be wasted (and on how many cities), just sitting there clicking abort hundreds and hundreds of times.
Some dont know Because are still building up their CF, as is still low level they cannot do many quests without heavy losses
I was asked by players why was i deleting city, when i told them they asked "what abort limit?", players that currently where leveling up CF, so they are wasting their FP and Time currently as the startegy is no longer viable


I'm surprised how many players don't even read in-game announcements.
Then a new change suddenly hits them, and they're like:
- What happened (to this or that)?
- Well, didn't you read the update announcement?
- No...
True, but if it isnt even in the update announcement, nobody can know, until they actually hit the limit, and for many may be too late after leveling their CF
 

PeePee Pleb

Lieutenant
@DarkUros222 found them friend !!!

Chateau level Needed for "infinite Quests"

Iron Age -> 72
EMA -> 116
HMA -> 147
LMA -> 100 for coins - 128 for supplies
CE -> 209 coins - 174 supplies (can't produce coins via ubq's)
TE -> 177 coins - 167 supplies (after 180lvl can produce coins)

SAAB and SAV -> no level need - no UBQ's

Now, Base Rewards Small and Big Coins/Supplies


Coin SmallCoin BigSupply SmallSupply Big
IA1,0003,0001,0003,000
EMA2,0005,0002,0005,000
HMA3,0006,0003,0006,000
LMA5,00010,0005,00010,000
CA7,00014,0008,00017,000
INA10,00018,00011,00020,000
PE15,00030,00016,00032,000
ME20,00045,00021,00050,000
PME25,00060,00026,00070,000
CE34,00090,00032,00080,000
TE45,000130,00040,000110,000
FE57,000171,00050,000150,000
AF65,000200,00060,000180,000
OF70,000220,00065,000200,000
VF75,000240,00070,000220,000
SAM95,000299,10095,000299,100
SAAB109,100343,800109,100343,800

AND finaly here is how many Coins/Supplies you have to pay for each UBQ !


CoinsSupplies
BA600500
IA2,0002,000
EMA5,0005,000
HMA8,0008,000
LMA10,00012,000
CA25,00030,000
INA40,00035,000
PE60,00050,000
ME90,00075,000
PME110,00090,000
CE140,000110,000
TE170,000140,000
FE250,000250,000
AF280,000280,000
OF500,000500,000
VF800,000800,000
SAM1,200,0001,200,000
SAABn/an/a

So if anywhere you would be able to produce "abusing" numbers of coins or supplies, it's obvious where it is..

with the common agreement that investing FP quest is limited !
Don't forget that numbers are based on % chance to get Coins/Supplies as the reward. In IA, CF has the lowest "sweet level" and you could notice that many players who wanted their city to rely on RQs are IA campers.
 

r21r

Major-General
Don't forget that numbers are based on % chance to get Coins/Supplies as the reward. In IA, CF has the lowest "sweet level" and you could notice that many players who wanted their city to rely on RQs are IA campers.
No, this is not true. In Iron you need at least 2.000.000 Coins and Supplies stock to do ~1.000 UBQ's if you don't own a Chateau.
on SAAB and SAV, what does restrict you from doing so .. ?

My point was that when inno claimed "fixed an exploit where players could produce infinite Coins", if this had to do something with the RQ's, then thats for sure not Iron Age.

I will say once more that it is supposed to be a long term game, and since inno decided to claim an 8 years feature which is "exploitable" way long before Chateau release, an "Exploit", I do not see how this is not a mistake from Inno's side, and they should open a refund option in the terms of their own mistake.

If am to be blamed as an "Exploiter/abuser" of a feature i stated as "unbalanced" a year ago, i cannot but feel Exploited instead.

might it be not fun to lose the feature that was always there - but behaving like it is what it is, is really something else.

as i said before, i used to make ~500 FP's from those Quests but took me 1year to level that thing and costed me Forge Points, SAAB and SAV, didn't even need a Chateau to keep doing infinite Quests. AND, 500FP's i can always make from Battlegrounds on my worst day !!!

make your own points, i'm just telling what i know.
 

Unklelol

Private
I haven't read the whole 20+ pages yet., but by page 3 it is obvious that INNO doesn't care about its players
I am far away from doing this amount of RQs, so a cap does not affect me, But I can see how it can easily affect the higher payers, or anyone who wants to mine goods, FP, BP etc by doing thousands of RQs a day at any age
When the unannounced delay was sneaked in , apparently as an accident I nearly stopped playing and my enthusiasm has never returned. Mostly because of INNO's attitude. This quest restriction, as a concept is unacceptable.
When will the unlimited gain of FP, BP and medals be stopped by the repeated use and exploit of a Lvl80+ Arc be stopped? As this is very unfair on the players who haven't bothered to build one. Is it any different? What would the reaction be if the amount of times you could add FP to a GB be capped?
Hardly surprising the cap was kept quite. It shows INNOs level of deceit and deception.
Why is INNO so hell bent on destroying this part of the game?
 

Unklelol

Private
People this is a feedback thread on the update. If you want to hold a discussion on the number of RQ's you are allowed to have in a day start a new thread on that.
Is the limit part of the update?. Not announced in it.? Nether was the delay when it was implemented, but it did take effect as part of the update. So I would assume that it is part of the update. Yes and unannounced again
For some reason you seem to be consistently trying to prevent discussion of this problem.
 

Unklelol

Private
https://forum.en.forgeofempires.com...-experienced-during-reoccurring-quests.44153/

To provide some context, for transparency purposes, we have been collecting feedback on quest abort exploits, and trying to figure out a way to tackle this. This week, we moved forward with an update that sets a limit on Quest Aborts to prevent this exploit, and the impact it has on our servers.
And you blame Inno for that?

INNO set the limit. The 1st I knew about it was on the forum

Another example of a player spreading misinformation that start to leads it's own life. Support has never been secretive about it. They had not been given the correct information and acted upon wrong information they had gotten. Wrong information started on the German forum by someone that isn't even a CM. You really should do some research before you come up with statements like this.

When the delay was introduced there was a lot of misinformation from INNO and forum staff worldwide. Support was shown to be downright complicit and deceitful following the INNO line that nothing had happened. You kept trying to stop the discussion of the matter as you seem to be doing again

If you are selective about what you want to read you should not complain if you miss something. That "Inno bot" is a message coming directly from HQ.



Do you really believe they are aware of the guides that are online?

They might be aware about them but have they followed any of them.


Want me to list the mistakes they made and found out much later?



What does money have to do with it? The money argument is getting very stale. Every change players don't like they tell they will stop buying diamonds and that they have heard of players that will leave the game because of this. Arguments would probably make a much bigger impact if for once that wasn't used. As far as morailty goes, that works both ways and I did not see you address this:" One of the better parts of the game for those stuck at home sick, retired with nothing to do, in a wheelchair with restricted movement/severe injuries, etc, was that they had a loop they could forget themselves into. " Besides that Inno has been trying out things without announcing them from the start of the game. Nothing new there, or did you knew how to get Galata BP's?

That's my final say on this. I am now in the discussion I wanted to avoid.
 

klods hans

Monarch
When will the unlimited gain of FP, BP and medals be stopped by the repeated use and exploit of a Lvl80+ Arc be stopped? As this is very unfair on the players who haven't bothered to build one. Is it any different? What would the reaction be if the amount of times you could add FP to a GB be capped?
If they nerf Arc somehow, it will affect a lot more players than the few players who cycle(d) RQ's. It will affect 1.9 contributions, speed leveling, sniping and more. Common play styles for many (most?) players now. It will slow down progress overall, and it will definitely provoke a riot and a lot of players will most likely quit the game.