Agent327
Overlord
(Agent327)Yeah right. That's why Inno deletes them right away.
That's even worse then the previous one
If you do not understand it, it will look that way.
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DeletedUser114563
(Agent327)If you do not understand it, it will look that way.
The replies are definitely getting worse
The replies are definitely getting worse
Blitz Epidemic
Warrant Officer
+1 We need new ways to prevent a guild from being accidentally, or maliciously, deleted.
An inactive Founder has forfeited all his rights and deserves to get the boot. Inno should clarify what the rules are regarding this issue.
An inactive Founder has forfeited all his rights and deserves to get the boot. Inno should clarify what the rules are regarding this issue.
Pete the Scarecrow
Corporal
Why not on the creation of Guild then the Guild Founder must nominate an Assistant Founder, exactly the same as a business, Director + Assistant Director, Manager + Assistant Manager. So, if one leaves or becomes inactive then the rGuild automatically transfers to the remaining Founder and that emaining Founder must nominate a Leader into the vacant Assistant position. Exactly what happens in a business, the Manager retires and normally the assistant takes their place. Just a thought.
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DeletedUser111359
"On creation" a guild has a single member. So who exactly is going to be the backup?
Pete the Scarecrow
Corporal
That is the problem, so what I am saying there must be 2 to create a Guild. A Founder and Assistant Founder. Everyone has friends and it is not rocket science to get 2 friends together to make a Guild.
DeletedUser111359
Alternately instead of all of this fuss and coding, you could just not join a guild where you don't have confidence in the founder...
On some of my worlds I've left guilds after spending months working my butt off to do what I could to help them. It's a game, it's not supposed to cause so much existential angst.
On some of my worlds I've left guilds after spending months working my butt off to do what I could to help them. It's a game, it's not supposed to cause so much existential angst.
Agent327
Overlord
(Agent327)If you do not understand it, it will look that way.
The replies are definitely getting worse
It's what happens when you try to argue something you do not understand without adressing the content and just making derogatory comments.
Inno rules on activity and deleting players are quite clear. Same applies to founders.
How many friends do new players have?
DeletedUser114563
(Agent327)t's what happens when you try to argue something you do not understand without adressing the content and just making derogatory comments.
Da!!
Da!!
Emberguard
Legend
How about Assistent founder can do anything a founder can, including kick other Assistent founders. Only thing the Assistent is unable to do is kick anyone with full Founder rank.
Basically create one rank more in the guild. Have the current founder position as the assistant founder, and the new founder position as a 1 player limited position
DeletedUser100832
I have a simpler suggestion. A guild can only be deleted if 51% of members agree to it, including more than half the founders.
DeletedUser100832
I particularly love it how he treats every assertion he makes as hard fact.
Agent327
Overlord
That is indeed simple.
I can delete all members till I am left. I think on my own I can make 51%.
Would you say that is a hard fact?
Da!!!
DeletedUser100832
The fact you kicked them doesn't mean you don't need their permission to delete the guild... anyone who was a guild member up to a month back gets a say.
Agent327
Overlord
That would mean if I leave a Guild I would still have a say, or if I just joined a Guild I also have a say.
So I just kick them and do not delete the Guild. What is the difference?
DeletedUser100832
it means that the guild deletion is a lengthy process that gives time for the people wanting it to reconsider and also for the admins to interfere
for high-level guilds (50+), each such deletion should be reviewed by the admins on a case-by-case basis to see if it is within the spirit of FOE
for high-level guilds (50+), each such deletion should be reviewed by the admins on a case-by-case basis to see if it is within the spirit of FOE
DeletedUser114563
( Medribradrion ) for high-level guilds (50+), each such deletion should be reviewed by the admins on a case-by-case basis to see if it is within the spirit of FOE
Definitely yes.
Definitely yes.
Agent327
Overlord
What admins?
I am the founder. Inno has given me the tools to do so, so how can it not be within the spirit?
DeletedUser99438
+1
It's always a worry that a founder will become upset and react in a moment of frustration and just disband the entire guild. Even if it required that only 2 of the founders needed to authorise the dissolve, it would be a better safeguard than the current one. It's unlikely 2 founders are going to lose the plot together lol Or maybe 3 is a better balance. But certainly giving all of the listed founders the option to dissolve without the aurthorisation of at least one/some of the others, is a little volatile.
Perhaps it would be better if there was no dissolve option? And the only way a guild gets dissolved is through an automatic process, when the last active member leaves (that would also get rid of longstanding dead guilds, that generally have one member that left the game). Personally I believe that an entire team makes a guild, and that they should have some level of (for lack of better words) stakeholder like entitlements to the guild they are loyal to. Thus why should any one person hold the right to dissolve an entire guild, against the desires of a majority? If they don't want to lead/or be part of that guild anymore, then in reality shouldn't they just cut their losses, go and leave the guild to those that do? Why should the guild members that have put so much into their guild suffer because one person decides to dissolve? Dissolving a guild, usually comes from some negative place like frustration/spite.
I can't pertain to know how the forums work, to be honest, but wouldn't this gain more traction in the ideas section?
It's always a worry that a founder will become upset and react in a moment of frustration and just disband the entire guild. Even if it required that only 2 of the founders needed to authorise the dissolve, it would be a better safeguard than the current one. It's unlikely 2 founders are going to lose the plot together lol Or maybe 3 is a better balance. But certainly giving all of the listed founders the option to dissolve without the aurthorisation of at least one/some of the others, is a little volatile.
Perhaps it would be better if there was no dissolve option? And the only way a guild gets dissolved is through an automatic process, when the last active member leaves (that would also get rid of longstanding dead guilds, that generally have one member that left the game). Personally I believe that an entire team makes a guild, and that they should have some level of (for lack of better words) stakeholder like entitlements to the guild they are loyal to. Thus why should any one person hold the right to dissolve an entire guild, against the desires of a majority? If they don't want to lead/or be part of that guild anymore, then in reality shouldn't they just cut their losses, go and leave the guild to those that do? Why should the guild members that have put so much into their guild suffer because one person decides to dissolve? Dissolving a guild, usually comes from some negative place like frustration/spite.
I can't pertain to know how the forums work, to be honest, but wouldn't this gain more traction in the ideas section?
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Agent327
Overlord
Founders can demote other founders. Niot every guild has 2 or 3 founders, so useless.
It actually would create more dead guilds.
Cause that is how it works. If you join a 5 year old guild and the next day there is a voote to dissolve it, why should you have an equal say in it? At what point dis you "make" the guild?
That is what happens under normal circumstances.
So do not bring that on.
You have decided to join a certain guild. In that guild, the founder decides. If you do not agree leave.