Neighborhood

[DeletedUser110480]

In every neighborhood there are very strong players and very weak players. In my neighborhood the strongest has 17,748,915 and the weakest has 650,246 ranking points. I've 3,452,798 ranking points and my position is number 15 of the 71 players. The strong players always attack and plunder because they know that you cannot counter attack them and plunder back. The only way of good protection that works well, you can get at the Friends Tavern, but then you cannot boost other things without pay with diamonds. The strong players always win the PvP competitions as well. This is very unfair. Question → Is it possible to put players of about the same ranking points in one neighborhood ??

 

[Agent327]

Is it possible to put players of about the same ranking points in one neighborhood ??

In theory that could mean an Iron Age player could be placed with Oceanic Future Players. Points do not say anything about how strong you are.

 

[Crazy Biker]

some people race up the tech tree before their city is ready and then moan when they get plundered!
People in my hood are in colonial age but their cities still look iron age.
I am 4th in my hood but I don't sit in one age, I level up about once a month but only when my city is ready.

 

[DeletedUser110480]

I am number 15 out of 71. So I didn't hurry my play. Mostly the too strong players are about 10% of the neighborhood. What is the problem for FoE, to place these strong players together in one neighborhood ?!

 

[DeletedUser110480]

In theory that could mean an Iron Age player could be placed with Oceanic Future Players. Points do not say anything about how strong you are.

In theory that could mean an Iron Age player could be placed with Oceanic Future Players. Points do not say anything about how strong you are.

Points do say a thing about how strong you are. If this is not so, then why do you have points ?? I don't know how some players get so many points in one era.

 

[Emberguard]

I have a arc, inno and alcatraz in Iron age. It doesn't say I'm strong.... those GBs have no bearing on strength. But it does put me third in my neighbourhood. I haven't had much problem with being plundered on that neighbourhood, or on any of the other worlds regardless of whether I plunder or don;t plunder. The attack and being plundered rate seems to be about the same either way.

As long as a player is in the same age it shouldn't be a problem. It's extremely easy to put up a decent defence and all defences can be broken through. Being plundered isn't that big of a hindrance.

 

[DeletedUser110480]

Sure we all are from the same age in the hood. My question was about the ranking points and position in that age. Do a counter attack and you will see that you will not succeed. Is a player of 17 million r.points not stronger than one with 1 million r.points ???? If not so, then why do we have ranking points ????

 

[DeletedUser110480]

In theory that could mean an Iron Age player could be placed with Oceanic Future Players. Points do not say anything about how strong you are.

If ranking points don't mean that you are stronger, then why do we have them ???? A general in the army is not stronger in his job than a soldier. What is this ???? I can tell you that much has changed in the last year with this game. Before it was much better. You were a top player with 20 million r.points . Now the highest has 227 million r.points. Where are we going to ????

 

[Agent327]

Points do say a thing about how strong you are. If this is not so, then why do you have points ?? I don't know how some players get so many points in one era.

Do you know how you get points?

 

[Emberguard]

Ranking points are merely a indicator of how much work you've put into the game, not whether you've got the strongest or even the most effective army.

In Stronghold I was great at economy and raising a 300-600+ strong army. While one of my brothers were great at building impenetrable fortresses with almost no army, and the other brother was great at being efficient with very little in either economy or army.

When I tried to attack the efficient brother with my 300 men they only had between 15-50 men. But I couldn't even touch them because I just click and tell the soldiers to go on autopilot. Whereas my brother is able to manage his army effectively and understand how they work.


It's the same type of thing here. It doesn't matter how much points you have. It's how you use the resources you have that determine whether you're strong or weak, along with where those points are coming from.

 

[Agent327]

Ranking points are merely a indicator of how much work you've put into the game, not whether you've got the strongest or even the most effective army.

Not really. It is not the work you put into the game, but the work you put in to collecting points.

 

[dimondus]

More on the topic
https://en.wiki.forgeofempires.com/index.php?title=Player's_Ranking
So IA Traz at lvl 1 will have 1750x6+10x7x1x4+60x15=11680 ranking points but it won't make defence better.
While 10 Ritual flames will give you 80% defence bonus for 10x20x2=400 ranking points (All Age building has age factor of 20 per tile).
In comparison IA Arc at lvl 1 will have 1875x21+7x5x1x4+70x15=40565 ranking points!

And of course think about proper defence
http://forgeofempires.wikia.com/wiki/Defence_basics_and_strategies

 

[DeletedUser110480]

So me with my lousy 3.4 million r.points can fight those strong guys ( player 1 to 300 on the ranking list) ?? When will you finally give in and understand me ?? Am I lying when I told you that I cannot win at a counter attack (take revenge) ?? Maybe you don't understand my english ?? Is it not so that more r.points indicates that your city have better buildings, higher leveled GB's which gives you more defence and attack power ?? WHY ARE THERE RANKING POINTS ??? IT DOESN"T INDICATES THAT THE ARMY IS STRONG BUT THE CITY IS WELL BUILD ??? What kind of paradox is this ???

 

[DeletedUser110480]

Do you know how you get points?

By fighting, building, trade, aiding, tavern use, and doing assignments. In every neighborhood they put me in , I am within the first 15. Not bad , because about 60 players are lower ranked than me . I don't buy diamonds and because of that is my progress not that speedy like others who do buy. Their city is very worse and still their progress is sky rocketing. They say that the game is free to play, which is true but if you buy diamonds your progress is boost up.

 

[DeletedUser110480]

Why is there no points indicator , so that we can see how we progress ??

 

[DeletedUser]

So me with my lousy 3.4 million r.points can fight those strong guys ( player 1 to 300 on the ranking list) ?? When will you finally give in and understand me ?? Am I lying when I told you that I cannot win at a counter attack (take revenge) ?? Maybe you don't understand my english ?? Is it not so that more r.points indicates that your city have better buildings, higher leveled GB's which gives you more defence and attack power ?? WHY ARE THERE RANKING POINTS ??? IT DOESN"T INDICATES THAT THE ARMY IS STRONG BUT THE CITY IS WELL BUILD ??? What kind of paradox is this ???

While it is true that points do not necessarily indicate military prowess, it is often the case that players with lots of points tend to have a good army. I'll give you that.

That being said, there are two reasons why Inno will not separate high-ranking players from lower-ranking players in the neighbourhood. The first one is that then there'd be less incentive to create an attacker account. Part of the reason that some people specialise their city in attacking and plundering is that they want to attack and plunder. If everyone in the neighbourhood is a big fish, then there's no reason to be one. The second one is that there'd be less incentive for everyone else to log in. If you're hardly ever going to have anyone trying to plunder you regardless of your defence, then there's no reason to make sure you log in on time to collect your productions. Without something to make sure players keep coming to the game, they end up drifting away sooner. That's basically why the combat system is so out of whack. It is in Inno's best interest to make sure that the only real defence against plundering is collecting on time.

I am not sure that you're right about not being able to attack back, though. Even if the enemy has a higher defence bonus than your attack bonus, it isn't particularly hard to break a defence. Unless you haven't levelled up your attack GBs in a while, you should be able to break most defences.

At any rate, as I've already said, the only real thing that you can do about it is collect your productions on time. You can also become one of the big fish in the neighbourhood. It isn't all that hard. Just read through the Fandom Wiki, watch some YouTube tutorials, or something like that (you can also drop by https://forum.en.forgeofempires.com/index.php?threads/week-45-2018-03-12.35325/ we're always happy to help with anything we can). Getting a few tips is very helpful.

 

[dimondus]

it is often the case that players with lots of points tend to have a good army.

Probably not, because if he/she specialize in plundering its not efficient to build defense GB's.
Remember that its ALWAYS 8 on 8 troops on the battlefield.
Even if players focus on defense, I rarely see SBC and/or DC higher than lvl 8 so its 48% defense bonus in total which is totally manageble to break with 30% tavern boost plus a few levels of attack GB's.
I've been plundered by top neighborhood player (24mln points) recently. While I had 5mln points I could defeat him because he had only 80% defense bonus while I had 125% attack bonus.

 

[DeletedUser]

Probably not, because if he/she specialize in plundering its not efficient to build defense GB's.
Remember that its ALWAYS 8 on 8 troops on the battlefield.
Even if players focus on defense, I rarely see SBC and/or DC higher than lvl 8 so its 48% defense bonus in total which is totally manageble to break with 30% tavern boost plus a few levels of attack GB's.
I've been plundered by top neighborhood player (24mln points) recently. While I had 5mln points I could defeat him because he had only 80% defense bonus while I had 125% attack bonus.

Sorry, I meant offensive army, not defensive army. I've addressed what you say in my third paragraph.

 

[dimondus]

I meant offensive army

I understand but Vicmor complaining he can't attack back high ranking players and that has nothing to do with their attacking capabilities. He need to realize there are two separate stats for the same units in offense and defense.

 

[Agent327]

So me with my lousy 3.4 million r.points can fight those strong guys ( player 1 to 300 on the ranking list) ?? When will you finally give in and understand me ?? Am I lying when I told you that I cannot win at a counter attack (take revenge) ?? Maybe you don't understand my english ?? Is it not so that more r.points indicates that your city have better buildings, higher leveled GB's which gives you more defence and attack power ?? WHY ARE THERE RANKING POINTS ??? IT DOESN"T INDICATES THAT THE ARMY IS STRONG BUT THE CITY IS WELL BUILD ??? What kind of paradox is this ???

It is rather obvious you are the one here that does not understand it.

By fighting, building, trade, aiding, tavern use, and doing assignments. In every neighborhood they put me in , I am within the first 15. Not bad , because about 60 players are lower ranked than me . I don't buy diamonds and because of that is my progress not that speedy like others who do buy. Their city is very worse and still their progress is sky rocketing. They say that the game is free to play, which is true but if you buy diamonds your progress is boost up.

So you do not understand how you get the points.