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New Content Guild Battlegrounds

klods hans

Monarch
That results in our top fighters losing heart, leaving the guild to join those top guilds so that they can be 'small fry in a big pond rather than a big fish in a small pond'.
Yes, we've also lost a few of our best fighters to top guilds, because they don't get enough chances to "farm rewards" when we're up against the toughest 1000 LP guilds. Very often - like many other guilds do - we try to stay below 1000 LP but above 900, so we can stay in Diamond but with more equal competition. That way we can get more fights done, and we don't risk losing our top fighters. It feels quite awkward though to hold back to try to "win" a lower position.
 

klods hans

Monarch
Sorting guilds by guild ID makes no sense. Just because guilds are created around the same time and thus have roughly the same ID's, it doesn't make the guilds equally strong.

We're an old guild with a low ID. But we're not on top of the pops when it comes to fighting. Some of the other old guilds created around the same time as ours are very strong fighter guilds.
We can make it to the 1000 LP league. But if we get matched with the old top fighter guilds because we have roughly the same low ID, we don't have a chance.
 
And when stuck with guilds that help each other - for us Project Phoenix and Project Phoenix 2 - quite obviously they would help each other - and they are always in the same grouping because they have similar Guild IDs of 21,017 and 22,202, there is no way out because they will never be matched with other guilds with ID numbers that are more different - the system shouldn't allow guilds to operate in pairs in this way
On the positive side of things, at least PP and PP2 have some sort of competition this week with those KamiPenguins
 

L0rien

Private
So here is how to do it - taken from information by
Ariana Erosaire in EN3and correction from @Manuel Laboria - Ty both :)

1. Sort by LP
2. Sort by guild ID (ID is assigned to the guild during the creation of the guild and does not change. Increased by 1 from the previous created guild.)
3. Calculation of the number of board with 7 guild:
Take the number of all guilds in the same league (e.g., Diamond), divided by 8: and
- If the remainder is 1, then there will be 7 groups with 7 guilds
- If the remainder is 2, then there will be 6 groups with 7 guilds
- If the remainder is 3, then there will be 5 groups with 7 guilds
- If the remainder is 4, then there will be 4 groups with 7 guilds
- If the remainder is 5, then there will be 3 groups with 7 guilds
- If the remainder is 6, then there will be 2 groups with 7 guilds
- If the remainder is 7, then there will be 1 groups with 7 guilds
. Then, in order of the sorted list, groups with 8 guilds are created, then create with 7 guilds

So in Brisgard this round there are 59 guilds in Diamond League, so that gives 5 sets of 7 guilds and 3 sets of 8 guilds - do the 8 guilds first starting in order from the newest guild (the highest Guild ID)
Rank the guilds by LP and then Guild ID and you have the following ..and I've added the groups they are in and it just so happens to follow the same order
Guild IDLPsGroupGuild NameLeagueGuild Rank
244811000AAnaithnideDiamond15
224951000AThe Lost & FoundDiamond41
222851000AKamikaze PenguinsDiamond21
222021000APʀᴏᴊᴇᴄᴛ Pʜᴏᴇɴɪx 2Diamond33
220731000AStormbringerDiamond12
220201000AVIKING COLONYDiamond36
210171000AProject PhoenixDiamond24
176531000AOurZoneDiamond18
166401000BPhoenix RisenDiamond34
163721000BHexie's TradersDiamond42
146011000BThor's HammersDiamond14
145251000BJourney In PeaceDiamond35
141081000BRogue Nation 2Diamond29
135481000BSerbian KingdomDiamond38
131961000BPiscerion AllianceDiamond32
126201000BAnarchyDiamond2
120351000CWolf Traders FreedomDiamond37
115551000CStreaking WarriorsDiamond30
115271000CHomesteadersDiamond40
111701000CSentinelsDiamond25
104341000CTemplarsDiamond1
77301000CRogue NatìonDiamond16
76781000CAtomic MonkeysDiamond31
76211000COrder Of The Black ☠Diamond5
72181000DWe Raid NakedDiamond6
69671000DBlacklistDiamond13
67681000DAsthmatic Donkeys™Diamond11
67471000DBH - Recruiting nowDiamond9
48581000DOuter PartyDiamond22
45411000DAlpha GuildDiamond17
39051000DNoćni VukoviDiamond4
14021000EMinas TirithDiamond20
1361000EThe CommitteeDiamond27
21943992EAnyone Can JoinDiamond47
15123989ENo Time 2 PlayDiamond44
13227978EThe RevolutionDiamond45
25452975EFacultyDiamond48
25442975ERelaxing guildDiamond51
12868975FThe Wheel of TradeDiamond39
11407975F☆ UNTAMED ☆Diamond26
8457975FSustainableDiamond28
22768950FMarch, 2020Diamond57
22048950FHAPPY DAYZDiamond10
17013950FRockers☠Diamond53
11127950FBritanniaDiamond50
1649950GAsgardDiamond8
95950GGuild of HonourDiamond19
13504947GREVOLVER-Recruiting!Diamond3
14445942GTrue NorthDiamond52
12791941GSea Wolves KickAssDiamond55
24383938G☠ Black Hawk ☠Diamond61
21494926GEagles NestDiamond59
22588925HRed RosesDiamond46
14541925HThe Sapphire OrderDiamond58
11479925HDeadly OrchidDiamond56
24664913HFruitcake DiscoDiamond77
24561913HLos ValientesDiamond78
23162913H♀Amazons♀Diamond66
10218910HThe Cat HerdersDiamond60
 
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L0rien

Private
So here is how to do it - taken from information by
Ariana Erosaire in EN3and correction from @Manuel Laboria - Ty both :)

1. Sort by LP
2. Sort by guild ID (ID is assigned to the guild during the creation of the guild and does not change. Increased by 1 from the previous created guild.)
3. Calculation of the number of board with 7 guild:
Take the number of all guilds in the same league (e.g., Diamond), divided by 8: and
- If the remainder is 1, then there will be 7 groups with 7 guilds
- If the remainder is 2, then there will be 6 groups with 7 guilds
- If the remainder is 3, then there will be 5 groups with 7 guilds
- If the remainder is 4, then there will be 4 groups with 7 guilds
- If the remainder is 5, then there will be 3 groups with 7 guilds
- If the remainder is 6, then there will be 2 groups with 7 guilds
- If the remainder is 7, then there will be 1 groups with 7 guilds
. Then, in order of the sorted list, groups with 8 guilds are created, then create with 7 guilds

So in Brisgard this round there are 59 guilds in Diamond League, so that gives 5 sets of 7 guilds and 3 sets of 8 guilds - do the 8 guilds first starting in order from the newest guild (the highest Guild ID)
Rank the guilds by LP and then Guild ID and you have the following ..and I've added the groups they are in and it just so happens to follow the same order
Guild IDLPsGroupGuild NameLeagueGuild Rank
244811000AAnaithnideDiamond15
224951000AThe Lost & FoundDiamond41
222851000AKamikaze PenguinsDiamond21
222021000APʀᴏᴊᴇᴄᴛ Pʜᴏᴇɴɪx 2Diamond33
220731000AStormbringerDiamond12
220201000AVIKING COLONYDiamond36
210171000AProject PhoenixDiamond24
176531000AOurZoneDiamond18
166401000BPhoenix RisenDiamond34
163721000BHexie's TradersDiamond42
146011000BThor's HammersDiamond14
145251000BJourney In PeaceDiamond35
141081000BRogue Nation 2Diamond29
135481000BSerbian KingdomDiamond38
131961000BPiscerion AllianceDiamond32
126201000BAnarchyDiamond2
120351000CWolf Traders FreedomDiamond37
115551000CStreaking WarriorsDiamond30
115271000CHomesteadersDiamond40
111701000CSentinelsDiamond25
104341000CTemplarsDiamond1
77301000CRogue NatìonDiamond16
76781000CAtomic MonkeysDiamond31
76211000COrder Of The Black ☠Diamond5
72181000DWe Raid NakedDiamond6
69671000DBlacklistDiamond13
67681000DAsthmatic Donkeys™Diamond11
67471000DBH - Recruiting nowDiamond9
48581000DOuter PartyDiamond22
45411000DAlpha GuildDiamond17
39051000DNoćni VukoviDiamond4
14021000EMinas TirithDiamond20
1361000EThe CommitteeDiamond27
21943992EAnyone Can JoinDiamond47
15123989ENo Time 2 PlayDiamond44
13227978EThe RevolutionDiamond45
25452975EFacultyDiamond48
25442975ERelaxing guildDiamond51
12868975FThe Wheel of TradeDiamond39
11407975F☆ UNTAMED ☆Diamond26
8457975FSustainableDiamond28
22768950FMarch, 2020Diamond57
22048950FHAPPY DAYZDiamond10
17013950FRockers☠Diamond53
11127950FBritanniaDiamond50
1649950GAsgardDiamond8
95950GGuild of HonourDiamond19
13504947GREVOLVER-Recruiting!Diamond3
14445942GTrue NorthDiamond52
12791941GSea Wolves KickAssDiamond55
24383938G☠ Black Hawk ☠Diamond61
21494926GEagles NestDiamond59
22588925HRed RosesDiamond46
14541925HThe Sapphire OrderDiamond58
11479925HDeadly OrchidDiamond56
24664913HFruitcake DiscoDiamond77
24561913HLos ValientesDiamond78
23162913H♀Amazons♀Diamond66
10218910HThe Cat HerdersDiamond60
If u look at the list u can see The Committee and Minas Tirith as the two oldest guilds on 1000 , and so last in the list of guilds on 1000 ranked by guild ID, get put in group E with guilds on the next highest LP of 992, 989 and so on

It happens again going from group F to G where there are guilds on 950... the two oldest guilds (smallest guild id) Asgard and Guild of Honour can’t fit in group F so get put into group G with guilds on the next highest LP in diamond, from 947 to 946

This explains why sometimes an older guild gets put with a newer one, but it still follows this algorithm.
 

L0rien

Private
Also, - not checked with lots of groups here, but with ours we are positioned on the map counter clockwise according to the above lists.
Our guild is the first on the list at 1000 LP as the youngest guild on 1000LP in diamond league in Brisgard and we are top left in the middle of the D4 provinces, the guilds are filled counter clockwise from there in order of descending guild ID number.
Being top of the list, just because it starts from the youngest, probably means these patterns are more noticeable for us as we are often in that first group to be matched.
So if you feel like you are often positioned next to the same guild, that will also be true.
 

Mandolyn

Private
Sorting guilds by guild ID makes no sense. Just because guilds are created around the same time and thus have roughly the same ID's, it doesn't make the guilds equally strong.

We're an old guild with a low ID. But we're not on top of the pops when it comes to fighting. Some of the other old guilds created around the same time as ours are very strong fighter guilds.
We can make it to the 1000 LP league. But if we get matched with the old top fighter guilds because we have roughly the same low ID, we don't have a chance.
It goes for our guild as well, so we yoyo between the two leagues, much to the frustration of most of our guild mates because of the unhealthy competition between guilds. Then having to deal with the proverbial 'school yard bullying' type actions from the more powerful guilds every other season, has cause many a seasoned player to leave the game. It is becoming more difficult to create a positive vibe amongst demoralized players.
It's the need of top guilds to be the 'Top Dog' and to dominate no matter what, that is really killing the game for a lot of people. Surely with so much negativity surrounding GBg, it should be a top priority to be sorted out so that more players can be attracted to the game, rather than have people join up and leave because the stress of the game gets to them?
 

L0rien

Private
B.o.N. | de9 kindly gave permission to share their map of GBG this round showing LP and Guild ID and it is inline with this algorithm - sorted by LP first then by descending guild ID within that.


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klods hans

Monarch
B.o.N. | de9 kindly gave permission to share their map of GBG this round showing LP and Guild ID and it is inline with this algorithm - sorted by LP first then by descending guild ID within that.


View attachment 23343
The guilds on A4A, A4E and B4A falls out of this pattern though. They have a much higher ID and are not in numeric order.
I guess it's because they are below 1k LP and only one guild is present with each of those three LP. 999, 996 and 977.
 
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L0rien

Private
The guilds on A4A, A4E and B4A falls out of this pattern though. They have a much higher ID and are not in numeric order.
I guess it's because they are below 1k LP and only one guild is present with each of those three LP. 999, 996 and 977.
They do follow the pattern of being ordered by LP first, then if having the same LP then sorted within that by descending guild ID
 

L0rien

Private
Ok, so now that we know the algorithm, we can predict exactly which guilds we will be up against in the coming season and the placements of the guilds on the map. Not really sure how valuable or useful that knowledge is though. Other than to let Inno know what a stupid idea it is to sort guilds by ID's.
But yesterday Forge said on FB "There are a range of factors involved in pairing guilds for GBG. Guild ID is not one of them. In the higher levels, there is less chance of it being mixed because there is a small pool of guilds in that level. It has nothing to do with guild creation date. "...but the above table seems to show that it is linked to Guild ID, and so to Guild creation date as ID is given to guilds in the order they are created.
 
The guilds on A4A, A4E and B4A falls out of this pattern though. They have a much higher ID and are not in numeric order.
I guess it's because they are below 1k LP and only one guild is present with each of those three LP. 999, 996 and 977.
it exactly follows the pattern, within a league, sort guilds by rank highest to lowest then by guild ID highest to lowest. the crossover board from 1000 LP to 999 and under is strange looking at first glance because the lowest ID 1000 rank guilds get matched with the highest ID guilds below 1000 LP. But it's the same pattern.

It gets worse though because then we're put onto the map in the same order too. @L0rien, you can see it even better on our board, I have both the map pic and the predicted sorting, which is exactly what we got. Not only are we locked into the same general group of guilds, but we're getting the same map positions every season. Explains why we haven't seen anything but the south/southeast quadrant of the board in months and always have the same guild to our left and 1 of 2 rotating guilds who tend to fall below 1000 for a season to our right. As you can see below, purple isn't doing much so we'll see someone else there next round, but otherwise, same same same.

14636 Fair Traders 1000
12705 Drunk Monkeys 1000
12537 blood of the ruined 1000
11844 The fyrd 1000
11829 Doomsday knights 1000
10726 Arrowheads 1000
9751 home 1000
7901 Predators GR 1000

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L0rien

Private
it exactly follows the pattern, within a league, sort guilds by rank highest to lowest then by guild ID highest to lowest. the crossover board from 1000 LP to 999 and under is strange looking at first glance because the lowest ID 1000 rank guilds get matched with the highest ID guilds below 1000 LP. But it's the same pattern.

It gets worse though because then we're put onto the map in the same order too. @L0rien, you can see it even better on our board, I have both the map pic and the predicted sorting, which is exactly what we got. Not only are we locked into the same general group of guilds, but we're getting the same map positions every season. Explains why we haven't seen anything but the south/southeast quadrant of the board in months and always have the same guild to our left and 1 of 2 rotating guilds who tend to fall below 1000 for a season to our right. As you can see below, purple isn't doing much so we'll see someone else there next round, but otherwise, same same same.

14636 Fair Traders 1000
12705 Drunk Monkeys 1000
12537 blood of the ruined 1000
11844 The fyrd 1000
11829 Doomsday knights 1000
10726 Arrowheads 1000
9751 home 1000
7901 Predators GR 1000

View attachment 23345
Yes - this is our guilds matchup, we are Anaithnide and are top left, and the guilds go in order down the list being placed on map in anticlockwise direction
Guild IDLPsGroupGuild NameLeagueGuild Rank
244811000AAnaithnideDiamond15
224951000AThe Lost & FoundDiamond41
222851000AKamikaze PenguinsDiamond21
222021000APʀᴏᴊᴇᴄᴛ Pʜᴏᴇɴɪx 2Diamond33
220731000AStormbringerDiamond12
220201000AVIKING COLONYDiamond36
210171000AProject PhoenixDiamond24
176531000AOurZoneDiamond18
I haven't checked with other guilds in EN2 but I'm betting the same applies to guilds in groups B, C etc