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DeletedUser96901
it would be much better that you had balanced it so negotiation and fighting needs the same amount of attempts
from beta server
https://forum.beta.forgeofempires.c...ck-ge-negotiation-game.6019/page-4#post-33333
on average. if you are using the best strategy but are unlucky it can be over 160 attempts
or if you have a bad strategy: 160 attempts on average
fighting can be done in 48 attempts
many players are doing that every week with this amount of fights
you missed one question:
why wasn't it possible to implement a solution which isn't luck only
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DeletedUser12400
Looking forward
DeletedUser99170
They realy figured a way to get the diamonds from the farmers and those frustrated fellows who fail on a certain GE level battling but want to move on for whatever reason: Buy an attemp with diamonds and another one and another one and another one...
Praeceptor
Lieutenant Colonel
Interesting, but too dependent on luck - if it was totally skill based I'd give it a go, but as it is, I'll stick to the sword
DeletedUser103625
Looks complicated!
DeletedUser
Very interesting update, exceeds my expectations.
It does look like everything in the Negotiation Game depends on luck, but, in reality, right strategy is much more important than luck. Just remember, that we have 3 times more "free" attempts than encounters, and failing in one (or even 10) attempts doesn't mean we shall fail in the whole expedition.
The only problem with the Negotiation Game is that it is very expensive, you need a lot of goods to play it, while military path is practically cost-free (everyone has Alcatraz + military trio + RH anyway). So, we have 2 options now - one cheap but dull, another interesting but expensive
It does look like everything in the Negotiation Game depends on luck, but, in reality, right strategy is much more important than luck. Just remember, that we have 3 times more "free" attempts than encounters, and failing in one (or even 10) attempts doesn't mean we shall fail in the whole expedition.
The only problem with the Negotiation Game is that it is very expensive, you need a lot of goods to play it, while military path is practically cost-free (everyone has Alcatraz + military trio + RH anyway). So, we have 2 options now - one cheap but dull, another interesting but expensive
DeletedUser12400
Well done!
DeletedUser106696
With 7 resources and 5 natives there is no way this is even remotely doable in 3 attempts, unless you're one of these lucky people who wins the lottery week after week. I find it a real shame that peaceful players are lumbered with such a silly casino game.
In my opinion the number of attempts should be increased in line with resources, so that games with 7 resources have 5 free attempts. Or, provide an alternative to diamonds, such as medals, or doubling of amounts to be offered for additional attempts. I can't see that this is even remotely appealing to peaceful players beyond the middle of level 1 in its current form, as it's the first ever standard game feature that cannot be played without using diamonds. Shame really
In my opinion the number of attempts should be increased in line with resources, so that games with 7 resources have 5 free attempts. Or, provide an alternative to diamonds, such as medals, or doubling of amounts to be offered for additional attempts. I can't see that this is even remotely appealing to peaceful players beyond the middle of level 1 in its current form, as it's the first ever standard game feature that cannot be played without using diamonds. Shame really
DeletedUser
Probability of solving encounter with 7 resources in 3 turns is 36% - if you are using correct strategy.
If you use simple strategy "offer any set of resources that can be accepted (based on previous results)" - probability reduces to 19%.
This is game of skill. Use correct strategy, and you'll do fine. Rely on luck, and you'll fail.
DeletedUser96901
and using the perfect strategy doesn't guarantee success
and the expensive one where the smartest players still needs luck
if someone does only negotiation the success rate for the complete expedition is only over 90%
you can't have success every week with skill only
or in other words: one cheap that people can't fail with skill and GB
and the expensive one where the smartest players still needs luck
if someone does only negotiation the success rate for the complete expedition is only over 90%
AND LUCK
you can't have success every week with skill only
DeletedUser106696
??? You say it yourself: Using the ***correct*** strategy a player has a 1:3 chance to solve this
... that means even with the correct strategy there is a 2:3 chance of failing. And you call this a game of skill?
DeletedUser
Of course it's a game of skill. You don't need to solve an encounter in first attempt. You have much more attempts than encounters. You may fail 100 times, but still complete all 3 difficulty levels.??? You say it yourself: Using the ***correct*** strategy a player has a 1:3 chance to solve this
... that means even with the correct strategy there is a 2:3 chance of failing. And you call this a game of skill?
The element of randomness adds spice to the game. And - what is also very important - it allows those who fail to say "I'm not stupid, I'm just unlucky"
DeletedUser96901
not every week
your calculation on beta forum says you will only complete in over 90%
that is really poor for a skill game
a real skill game can be won in 100% of time with skill
the element of playing perfect and still losing adds a crap factor to the game
it allows people to say it is crap because they fail every week and stop doing it
btw
if a player doesn't know he uses the best strategy the chances are very high that he doesn't use the best strategy
and if players are "stupid" they can change their strategy (other can help them like giving them tips for fighting)
but you can't teach luck
so being stupid and knowing it is much better than being stupid and thinking you are just unlucky.
because you only change something if you think it is your fault. but if you blame luck you play bad every time
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DeletedUser105544
The best strategy is to get what you want at the lowest possible cost, in the shortest period of time. So far, shooting everything on your way showed the most efective.
DeletedUser105171
You must hate playing cards. If you play poker or blackjack - or pretty much any card game you play the odds - you can play perfectly but there is luck involved in what cards are dealt.
If you could win 100% of the time then it becomes boring - you work out the right formula and click, always win. Sounds pretty dull to me. No casino would be in business if this was the case
DeletedUser96901
thank you for confirming that InnoGames is a casino that only wants our money (using diamonds to be successful)No casino would be in business if this was the case
yes especially poker. that is why I stopped playing it
knowing that I played correct and the stupid idiot only won with his 5% chance at the river
but thousands of players doing that all the day long in FoE
click win, click win, click win, click win, click win, click win, click win, ...
they call it GvG
btw: I can win 100% of the expedition
because I can fight. so I will never need to use negotiation
but wouldn't it be more fair to other players if they could finish the expedition with negotiation also every week
that is true. fighters will need the least amount of time and can always be successful
and if not they can't blame luck. it is their missing skill
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RTSFirebat
Private
It's a much more interesting implementation then I was expecting. It does mean traders can give it a go but at the same time run the risk of losing like fighters (I had many a army wiped out completely).
DeletedUser15986
Mastermind was a great game... (Yes, I remember it too.
)The original 4 combo from 6 choices in Mastermind needed 4-5 attempts (practically speaking) to solve purely by skill/theory. If you were lucky you could make it in 3, if you weren't unlucky you could make it in 4, but pure skill needed a maximum of 5 guesses.
Sure the negotiations start easy in FoE (max 2 guesses) but even halfway into D1 needs a bit of luck to get it in 3. The best technique needs 4 attempts for success before you reach the end of D1, D2 gets you get into the 5 mark, and the less said about 7 choices the better. (2 guesses will be needed just to isolate the gifts needed. Some quick mental arithmetic tells me it needs 6-7 guesses when it comes to the 7/5 that is listed as being at the top end of the negotiation scale. Being lucky will reduce that to 4-5, but mostly it'll take more than one attempt once more than 5 choices are available.)
Yes players might get lucky, but all in all I'm looking at this as just being better to fight. At least that way I can see the units I'm against before I start.